Rijko what was your post that critiscized Maysan?
in regards to the last post i made, i can only say this...
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Maysan is really a ????. I started a topic 'Maysan, why did you delete my message twice.' He deleted this post also. This guy is really sick.
I just asked him what we could expect from the mailing list this time. I signed up to his mailing list already end 1999. I received a confirmation of my subsription. The list was completely dead since then and all messages were returned as undeliverable. The site VMH was inactive for two years, when suddenly on the eve of the release of STC, they started a forum and they came with the pretentious announcement that they would unite with Vanessa-Mae's official site.
I don't know whether this was based on realiity or just something in Maysan's imagination and to impress us, but I am certainly glad that it actually didn't came to that.
I haven't seen any compasion and devotion to Vanessa-Mae on his site.
These are the ideas that I expressed in my posts in his forum and in some personal messages to him. Maysan didn't take the time to answer me at all. He just deletes my critical notes.
So, Maysan apperently can't handle any critics and he doen't have the courtesy to answer any personal messages when the content annouys him. He also disabled my login identiy.
So, don't expect too much from the mailing list when it comes to technical support and contributions from Maysan. The list can only be a success if active memers submit information through the list.
I just asked him what we could expect from the mailing list this time. I signed up to his mailing list already end 1999. I received a confirmation of my subsription. The list was completely dead since then and all messages were returned as undeliverable. The site VMH was inactive for two years, when suddenly on the eve of the release of STC, they started a forum and they came with the pretentious announcement that they would unite with Vanessa-Mae's official site.
I don't know whether this was based on realiity or just something in Maysan's imagination and to impress us, but I am certainly glad that it actually didn't came to that.
I haven't seen any compasion and devotion to Vanessa-Mae on his site.
These are the ideas that I expressed in my posts in his forum and in some personal messages to him. Maysan didn't take the time to answer me at all. He just deletes my critical notes.
So, Maysan apperently can't handle any critics and he doen't have the courtesy to answer any personal messages when the content annouys him. He also disabled my login identiy.
So, don't expect too much from the mailing list when it comes to technical support and contributions from Maysan. The list can only be a success if active memers submit information through the list.
WOW, I do remember that mailing list thing, I too never got anything from it, but it didn't really matter to me. I personally think that Maysans site is nice. It was the only site out there for fans when i first discovered Vanessa Mae late one wintry evening in 1998 when her Berlin Concert came on PBS, all i caught was the beginning of Red Hot. then i saw her name was Vanessa Mae and ran to my computer to research her. and there was Maysans site, the only one that had anything.
I think that Maysans site is great and very informative for the people that are just discovering Vanessas Music.
I dont understand why you call the man sick? There are people that say the same about you. Also Rijko, how can you say
You dont know how true this is or not. We all know, and have experience on how flimsy VAnessas managment and contacts are etc... (take a look at HER VERY OWN SITE) it is very possible that Glenn was REALLY talking to Vanessas people and the deal just never got off the ground.
Also, you say you dont see any compassion...I guess building your own site as a fan site for others dedicated to someone whose music you enjoy dosen't mean you have any compassion, i guess he just did it because he likes to look at it huh? Also, wheres your vanessa mae website? wheres the compassion?
Jason Tee, and haboek...the site is organized, and has more information than any other Vanessa Mae website on the net. And since you dont like their design Jason...build one.
Rijko, whatever personal problems YOU have with Maysan, YOU need to discuss them with HIM, and not attempt to turn people against him in a way to make him appear negatively. It shouldn't be about their site this site, it should be about Vanessa Mae, and not your ego.
I think I'm through for the...moment.
I think that Maysans site is great and very informative for the people that are just discovering Vanessas Music.
I dont understand why you call the man sick? There are people that say the same about you. Also Rijko, how can you say
The site VMH was inactive for two years, when suddenly on the eve of the release of STC, they started a forum and they came with the pretentious announcement that they would unite with Vanessa-Mae's official site.
You dont know how true this is or not. We all know, and have experience on how flimsy VAnessas managment and contacts are etc... (take a look at HER VERY OWN SITE) it is very possible that Glenn was REALLY talking to Vanessas people and the deal just never got off the ground.
Also, you say you dont see any compassion...I guess building your own site as a fan site for others dedicated to someone whose music you enjoy dosen't mean you have any compassion, i guess he just did it because he likes to look at it huh? Also, wheres your vanessa mae website? wheres the compassion?
Jason Tee, and haboek...the site is organized, and has more information than any other Vanessa Mae website on the net. And since you dont like their design Jason...build one.
Rijko, whatever personal problems YOU have with Maysan, YOU need to discuss them with HIM, and not attempt to turn people against him in a way to make him appear negatively. It shouldn't be about their site this site, it should be about Vanessa Mae, and not your ego.
I think I'm through for the...moment.
Kevin,
I too visited Maysans site frequently in the begiining.
As stated by you it was the best site at that time.
After the emerging of other sites I would hop from site to site to find he best information around.
I have never said that the design was bad or that the site was badly organized.
What my point was is that the mailinglist never took of since Frank Langbein quit his site and transferred the list to Glenn and Maysan.
This is not critizing them because a know they were very busy with other projects at that time.
Due to that I saw that in those days the update frequency of the site slipped.
Regarding your remark about devotion to Vanessa Mae in comparison to making a website is not really fair.
Creating a good website takes a lot of time and keeping it updated requires even more time.
I respect all the fans who put in so much effort and time in this, but I can not afford this time.
Although I do not agree with Rijko on some statements he made, I can fully understand them.
If in this forum any editing would take place without concent of the one who posted it, it would degrade its contence for me.
I know that things were editted out in the old forum, but that was agreed upon us all.
I just hope this does not start another heated discussion about something not really informative for fans looking for information about Vanessa Mae.
We all have the right to our opinion, but leave some space for respect for fellow fans.
I still include Maysan as a fan. He put in a lot of time as stated before in this post.
I too visited Maysans site frequently in the begiining.
As stated by you it was the best site at that time.
After the emerging of other sites I would hop from site to site to find he best information around.
I have never said that the design was bad or that the site was badly organized.
What my point was is that the mailinglist never took of since Frank Langbein quit his site and transferred the list to Glenn and Maysan.
This is not critizing them because a know they were very busy with other projects at that time.
Due to that I saw that in those days the update frequency of the site slipped.
Regarding your remark about devotion to Vanessa Mae in comparison to making a website is not really fair.
Creating a good website takes a lot of time and keeping it updated requires even more time.
I respect all the fans who put in so much effort and time in this, but I can not afford this time.
Although I do not agree with Rijko on some statements he made, I can fully understand them.
If in this forum any editing would take place without concent of the one who posted it, it would degrade its contence for me.
I know that things were editted out in the old forum, but that was agreed upon us all.
I just hope this does not start another heated discussion about something not really informative for fans looking for information about Vanessa Mae.
We all have the right to our opinion, but leave some space for respect for fellow fans.
I still include Maysan as a fan. He put in a lot of time as stated before in this post.
Haboek :smokin:
You Say this now....
You said this before...
hmmmm how i wish you'd make up your mind
Regarding your remark about devotion to Vanessa Mae in comparison to making a website is not really fair.
Creating a good website takes a lot of time and keeping it updated requires even more time.
I respect all the fans who put in so much effort and time in this, but I can not afford this time.
You said this before...
All the more reason to stay here and forget about the other site.
hmmmm how i wish you'd make up your mind
Kevin,
Making up my mind is not so difficult.
This quote implied the forum not the site.
Sorry Dutch is my native language so I might make English mistakes like this which could be misunderstood.
Hope this takes away any doubts of what I want to say??
All the more reason to stay here and forget about the other site.
Making up my mind is not so difficult.
This quote implied the forum not the site.
Sorry Dutch is my native language so I might make English mistakes like this which could be misunderstood.
Hope this takes away any doubts of what I want to say??
Haboek :smokin:
Frankly, I'm pretty pissed about the statements made regarding vanessamae.com
First, to Jason Tee, who oh so eloquently described the site as "dull and unorganized" and then later posted that he hope he didn't offend anyone.
Well Jason, don't worry, you've probably only offended a handful of people. Namely me, Maysan, Glenn, and whoever else who has spent their time contributing to that site. My basic response is "screw you"
On to Rijko, Kevin touched on it already, but I really can't hope to notice that you've basically tried (intentionally or not; I think the former) on getting others to hate that site all because you have a problem with the owner. Maybe you forget that vanessamae.com is the only site that has comprehensive coverage on Vanessa's work from beginning to present. Apparently, her management concurred, which is why a couple of albums/singles have the site listed.
And you call the site a disappointment? compared to what? As if vanessa-mae.com is an unqualified success? Haboek touched on a point (I'll get to more on Haboek in a minute) that maybe these two people have a lot going on and don't have much time to devote to the site. But guess what? They could have just took down the site and saved some money. But no, instead, they decided to leave it up, just in case people want to find out more information about Vanessa-Mae. Out of date? Umm .. With the exception of the new "Best of", vanessamae.com has EVERY single recording Vanessa has released since she started her career as a violinist. Name another site that has done the same.
Haboek, no offense, but you're comment about "more reason to stay here and forget that other site" and then come back and say you respect those who have build Vanessa-Mae sites is hypocritical.
Basically, my point is this. I am APPALLED .. no no .. not strong enough .. EMBARASSED to even be SEEN as a member of this forum seeing how you guys taking turns sh*tting on vanessamae.com. Yes, I cursed, but that's what you guys on doing. You guys should be ASHAMED of yourselves, and realize that things like this will come back and bite you on the ass.
--Benjamin-pissedoff
P.S. Rijko, if you bothered to READ the site, you wouldn't have posted about Glenn being "pretentious" by announcing the unification of vanessamae.com and vanessa-mae.com. Here, I'll post it for ya:
"VanessaMae.com and Vanessa-Mae.com (the official EMI site) were to unite to provide a thorough, up to the minute information. Due to EMI's failure to follow up on our joint plans and their total failure to keep fans, booking agents and myself (Glenn) informed and updated is embarrassing."
First, to Jason Tee, who oh so eloquently described the site as "dull and unorganized" and then later posted that he hope he didn't offend anyone.
Well Jason, don't worry, you've probably only offended a handful of people. Namely me, Maysan, Glenn, and whoever else who has spent their time contributing to that site. My basic response is "screw you"
On to Rijko, Kevin touched on it already, but I really can't hope to notice that you've basically tried (intentionally or not; I think the former) on getting others to hate that site all because you have a problem with the owner. Maybe you forget that vanessamae.com is the only site that has comprehensive coverage on Vanessa's work from beginning to present. Apparently, her management concurred, which is why a couple of albums/singles have the site listed.
And you call the site a disappointment? compared to what? As if vanessa-mae.com is an unqualified success? Haboek touched on a point (I'll get to more on Haboek in a minute) that maybe these two people have a lot going on and don't have much time to devote to the site. But guess what? They could have just took down the site and saved some money. But no, instead, they decided to leave it up, just in case people want to find out more information about Vanessa-Mae. Out of date? Umm .. With the exception of the new "Best of", vanessamae.com has EVERY single recording Vanessa has released since she started her career as a violinist. Name another site that has done the same.
Haboek, no offense, but you're comment about "more reason to stay here and forget that other site" and then come back and say you respect those who have build Vanessa-Mae sites is hypocritical.
Basically, my point is this. I am APPALLED .. no no .. not strong enough .. EMBARASSED to even be SEEN as a member of this forum seeing how you guys taking turns sh*tting on vanessamae.com. Yes, I cursed, but that's what you guys on doing. You guys should be ASHAMED of yourselves, and realize that things like this will come back and bite you on the ass.
--Benjamin-pissedoff
P.S. Rijko, if you bothered to READ the site, you wouldn't have posted about Glenn being "pretentious" by announcing the unification of vanessamae.com and vanessa-mae.com. Here, I'll post it for ya:
"VanessaMae.com and Vanessa-Mae.com (the official EMI site) were to unite to provide a thorough, up to the minute information. Due to EMI's failure to follow up on our joint plans and their total failure to keep fans, booking agents and myself (Glenn) informed and updated is embarrassing."
Benji,
Read my last post on this subject.
For the rest: Sorry if I stepped on somebodies toes on this item.
Read my last post on this subject.
Making up my mind is not so difficult.
This quote implied the forum not the site.
Sorry Dutch is my native language so I might make English mistakes like this which could be misunderstood.
For the rest: Sorry if I stepped on somebodies toes on this item.
Haboek :smokin:
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OK, I take back the sick thing. That is not appropriate. Maybe I was too cynical.
Of course there was devotion and compassion initially on Maysan's site, but it disappeared. Updates of VMH at this moment are not present. There are no tour dates, no interivews, no links to articles or recent photos. The site was dead for more than 2 years.
When I found VMH in 1999, I was delighted to have the opportunity to get in contact with other fans, also via the mailing list. So I was very very disappointed when the list became inactive from the momment I signed to it. I never received any explanation for that from Maysan, despite my requests for that.
I can not judge the reality for a unification of VMH with Vanessa-Mae's own official site. Maybe there have been contacts on this, but we only have Maysan's word for that. Should I trust anyone, who does not answer a simple but critical and triggering question? Did EMI and Vanessa-Mae ever commit themselves fully to VMH? As I said we only have the word of Maysan for that!
I really hope for a success for the mailing list and maybe I will join then as Maysan accepts my membership. He did disable my identy twice. I am a little pissed off by that.
Benji, espacially you should understand that!!
I am not trying to set up anyone against VMH. I wished Maysan in his forum all the best with his site and the mailing list, but he deleted that too.
Of course there was devotion and compassion initially on Maysan's site, but it disappeared. Updates of VMH at this moment are not present. There are no tour dates, no interivews, no links to articles or recent photos. The site was dead for more than 2 years.
When I found VMH in 1999, I was delighted to have the opportunity to get in contact with other fans, also via the mailing list. So I was very very disappointed when the list became inactive from the momment I signed to it. I never received any explanation for that from Maysan, despite my requests for that.
I can not judge the reality for a unification of VMH with Vanessa-Mae's own official site. Maybe there have been contacts on this, but we only have Maysan's word for that. Should I trust anyone, who does not answer a simple but critical and triggering question? Did EMI and Vanessa-Mae ever commit themselves fully to VMH? As I said we only have the word of Maysan for that!
I really hope for a success for the mailing list and maybe I will join then as Maysan accepts my membership. He did disable my identy twice. I am a little pissed off by that.
Benji, espacially you should understand that!!
I am not trying to set up anyone against VMH. I wished Maysan in his forum all the best with his site and the mailing list, but he deleted that too.
Rijko Ebens wrote:
Of course there was devotion and compassion initially on Maysan's site, but it disappeared. Updates of VMH at this moment are not present. There are no tour dates, no interivews, no links to articles or recent photos.
So basically you expect vanessamae.com to do the work that her official site should be doing?
When I found VMH in 1999, I was delighted to have the opportunity to get in contact with other fans, also via the mailing list. So I was very very disappointed when the list became inactive from the momment I signed to it. I never received any explanation for that from Maysan, despite my requests for that.
Having an active mailing list requires several individuals. You cannot blame one person for it being inactive.
I can not judge the reality for a unification of VMH with Vanessa-Mae's own official site. Maybe there have been contacts on this, but we only have Maysan's word for that. Should I trust anyone, who does not answer a simple but critical and triggering question? Did EMI and Vanessa-Mae ever commit themselves fully to VMH? As I said we only have the word of Maysan for that!
Actually, Maysan had nothing to do with it. This was between Glenn and Vanessa's management. As he stated, the management failed to live up to their side of the agreement. This doesn't come to any surprise to me, because that was only the latest of a long string of incident where her management dropped the ball. I remember Glenn telling me that orchestras have gotten in touch with him about wanting to perform with Vanessa. He forwarded it to EMI, and never heard anything back.
--Benjamin
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I only asked Maysan about the prospects for the mailing list. I probably did this in a rather cynical tone, due to my bad experience with the list. It was very well possible for Maysan to offer some kind of explanation to me and to express the hope for my cooperation to make it a success this time.
Of course, Maysan is not entirely repsonsible, and for a successfull maling list contributors are necessary. However, I was very willing at that time to submit ideas and news to the list but that wasn't possible anymore. The simple fact that no explanation or information about the status of the list was given, was really disappointing to me.
It is more or less the same as the treatment we get from www.vanessa-mae.com
Despite the fact that Maysan disabled my login identity 3 time, I will subscribe to the mailing list this evening when I get home. Just to show my readiness to make it a success.
Of course, Maysan is not entirely repsonsible, and for a successfull maling list contributors are necessary. However, I was very willing at that time to submit ideas and news to the list but that wasn't possible anymore. The simple fact that no explanation or information about the status of the list was given, was really disappointing to me.
It is more or less the same as the treatment we get from www.vanessa-mae.com
Despite the fact that Maysan disabled my login identity 3 time, I will subscribe to the mailing list this evening when I get home. Just to show my readiness to make it a success.
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Yes, I do especially When an individual controls several TLD's (vanessamae.com; vanessa-mae.net; vanessa-mae.org; vanessa-mae.info; maybe more?) and points at least two to the same site.Benji wrote:So basically you expect vanessamae.com to do the work that her official site should be doing?
I think that any fan should help promote information, even if it's only posting messages or emailing lists.
Official site? Is there one? You know, a real official site. ???