I stay with my points about the Dubai video!
OK, your a fan. Still I can't remember anything nice on her from you.
I propese to stop here. I don't want to bcome nasty.
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Rijko Ebens wrote:I stay with my points about the Dubai video!
OK, your a fan. Still I can't remember anything nice on her from you.
I propese to stop here. I don't want to bcome nasty.
1.) I don't think I need to constantly gloat about Vanessa-Mae to show my appreciation for her music. The music speaks for itself
2) As for your Dubai video synopsis, that's fine, but not to be offensive, but you are wrong. This isn't a gray area of opinions and feelings, etc. The video speaks for itself, and it's funny you didn't respond to my statement where the other forum members agreed that she indeed was caught of guard.
3) If you turn nasty, that's fine. That only shows your true character and it's definately not something I'd be afraid of.
Edited By Benji on 1090704133
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Xanthippe
You are being quite nasty already. I keep up my honour in staying nice and polite.
I remember Lorjou saying that both have points in the Dubai discussion. Not all forum members agreed with you, maybe a couple I can't remember. most people remained silence, buit I don't think it is right to automatically assume that they agree with you.
How could Vanessa-Mae possible be off guard if the intro music is playing already. That doesn't make any sense. She would be on full alert if she was miming. She is too much a proffesional to let such thing happen.
I almost forget to explain why I consider you to be nasty. You never express the slightest respect to others opinions.
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Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1090705162
I remember Lorjou saying that both have points in the Dubai discussion. Not all forum members agreed with you, maybe a couple I can't remember. most people remained silence, buit I don't think it is right to automatically assume that they agree with you.
How could Vanessa-Mae possible be off guard if the intro music is playing already. That doesn't make any sense. She would be on full alert if she was miming. She is too much a proffesional to let such thing happen.
I almost forget to explain why I consider you to be nasty. You never express the slightest respect to others opinions.
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Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1090705162
Ok let's analyze what you just said ...Rijko Ebens wrote:You are being quite nasty already. I keep up my honour in staying nice and polite.
I remember Lorjou saying that both have points in the Dubai discussion. Not all forum members agreed with you, maybe a couple I can't remember. most people remained silence, buit I don't think it is right to automatically assume that they agree with you.
How could Vanessa-Mae possible be off guard if the intro music is playing already. That doesn't make any sense. She would be on full alert if she was miming. She is too much a proffesional to let such thing happen.
I almost forget to explain why I consider you to be nasty. You never express the slightest respect to others opinions.
Yes yo play the violin, probably with a little more talent than the average violin players of the world. That doesn't make you an expert with all mightly truth in hand.
Show some respect to others feeling!
1) How could Vanessa-Mae be caught off the guard if the intro is playing? That's rather simple because she doesn't play at the very beginning of Storm. And the intro starts off very soft, which goes into my second point ...
2) This has nothing to do with her being not being professional/alert, obviously she had a problem with her ear piece, which is why she was pressing on it shortly after she was caught off guard. She couldn't hear the intro, which doesn't surprise me. Many artists on stage are in "dead zone" where they can't hear themselves sing/play etc, because the speakers are not right by where they are standing/sitting. This is the reason why they wear ear pieces.
3) Show me how I was nasty or rude. I don't see it. Sorry, disagreement with your opinion/actions and addressing it does not count as being rude.
4) I never claimed to be an expert, but since I am a violinist, there are certain things that I will see/hear that others who don't play the instrument won't. That's only logical. If you are a plumber, and have been for 12 years, I'd expect you to know things about plumbing that I don't. Even if I watch you work, that in itself doesn't give insight to what and why you're doing a particular thing.
5) I have shown no disrespect to you or anyone else's feelings.
Benji
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Xanthippe
Yes you can explain anything if that is what you want. Please accept that I explain differently.
Just for once say that I could be right in this. that is showing respect.
You claim to be right. Thaty is your starting point. And because you are right, I must be wrong no matter my arguments. I consider such an attitude as being disrespectfull.
You call me dogmatic and not open minded. With that you insult my intelligence.
At least have the decency to accept that I experience it that way.
We are way out of line of what this forum is about. I should not have you lead me into this. All this is very stupid of me.
You will never learn.
Just for once say that I could be right in this. that is showing respect.
You claim to be right. Thaty is your starting point. And because you are right, I must be wrong no matter my arguments. I consider such an attitude as being disrespectfull.
You call me dogmatic and not open minded. With that you insult my intelligence.
At least have the decency to accept that I experience it that way.
We are way out of line of what this forum is about. I should not have you lead me into this. All this is very stupid of me.
You will never learn.
I'm not saying you're right in this because you're not. And you need to realize that just because I say your opinion is wrong does not = disrespect.
You are dogmatic and not open minded, for when proof is shown to you proving that a certain thing did/did not happen, and you still dogmatically cling to your opinion. The Storm Dubai issue is just one of many instances where you claimed Vanessa-Mae played live when she really didn't.
I will never learn? Okay, as I've said before, learn to play the violin proficiently and get some experience playing electric violins, and I guarantee your perspective will change.
This is a debate, and debates happens on forums. I will not put on a good 'face' on this forum just to make it seem like all is well when it really is not.
Benji
You are dogmatic and not open minded, for when proof is shown to you proving that a certain thing did/did not happen, and you still dogmatically cling to your opinion. The Storm Dubai issue is just one of many instances where you claimed Vanessa-Mae played live when she really didn't.
I will never learn? Okay, as I've said before, learn to play the violin proficiently and get some experience playing electric violins, and I guarantee your perspective will change.
This is a debate, and debates happens on forums. I will not put on a good 'face' on this forum just to make it seem like all is well when it really is not.
Benji
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Xanthippe
I didn't ask you to say that I am right. I asked you to accept that I am honestly believing that I am right. That is something completely different. That is repsect. Obviously you are incapable of getting that out into this forum.
I see the things that you claim as proof from a different perspective.
I said in one of my precvious posts that you should not claim to be an expert only on the fact that you paly violin only a little better and with slightly more talent than most of us.
You said: I never claimed to be an expert.
Yes you do claim inherently to be an expert, simply by ignoring the fact that you might be wrong.
This all has nothing to do with Vanessa-Mae. We shoud stop with this. I am not here in this forum for such nasty and irrelevant discussions.
I ask a moderator to close this topic. Any moderator who reads this, please.................?
Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1090712893
I see the things that you claim as proof from a different perspective.
I said in one of my precvious posts that you should not claim to be an expert only on the fact that you paly violin only a little better and with slightly more talent than most of us.
You said: I never claimed to be an expert.
Yes you do claim inherently to be an expert, simply by ignoring the fact that you might be wrong.
This all has nothing to do with Vanessa-Mae. We shoud stop with this. I am not here in this forum for such nasty and irrelevant discussions.
I ask a moderator to close this topic. Any moderator who reads this, please.................?
Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1090712893
I'm sure members are well aware of who has what opinion on this matter after numerous debates on this. There is absolutely no need to go on with this debate, other than to direct personal comments at each other, which I do not want to see in this forum. If you must, I suggest doing so via email so we don't have to see it.
Please, no more debate on this issue, else I will have to close this thread, not because I am taking any sides, but for the sake of harmony. Thank you. :bow2:
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Ok guys, let's get back on topic
This would be a good question to ask her this year when we do the birthday present. I'd also like to ask her about her Hill violin, cos we haven't much information on it.
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Please, no more debate on this issue, else I will have to close this thread, not because I am taking any sides, but for the sake of harmony. Thank you. :bow2:
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Ok guys, let's get back on topic
This would be a good question to ask her this year when we do the birthday present. I'd also like to ask her about her Hill violin, cos we haven't much information on it.
Edited By aventine on 1090716477
This is VERY relevant, as I've stated in my posts. I don't want you to mislead other people by telling them something that is not true.Rijko Ebens wrote:I didn't ask you to say that I am right. I asked you to accept that I am honestly believing that I am right. That is something completely different. That is repsect. Obviously you are incapable of getting that out into this forum.
I see the things that you claim as proof from a different perspective.
I said in one of my precvious posts that you should not claim to be an expert only on the fact that you paly violin only a little better and with slightly more talent than most of us.
You said: I never claimed to be an expert.
Yes you do claim inherently to be an expert, simply by ignoring the fact that you might be wrong.
This all has nothing to do with Vanessa-Mae. We shoud stop with this. I am not here in this forum for such nasty and irrelevant discussions.
I ask a moderator to close this topic. Any moderator who reads this, please.................?
Yes, I said that I didn't claim to be an expert, in the sense, that I don't play nearly as well as she does. But since I am a violinist, then I can see some things that you possibly might not see or notice. I don't need to play as well as Vanessa to appreciate such things. Even now. you don't even acknowledge that there are certain people who shares a similar profession/hobby as Vanessa's, and that perhaps that they might have insight that you may not possess.
So, I'll reiterate this for the last time: I won't bring up the miming issue so as long as you don't make false statements claiming Vanessa has played live where she really hasn't. So really Rijko, the ball is once again in your court. If you don't want this to happen again, then be careful on what you say in the future, or we will keep going through this.
--Benji