the best of vanessa-mae - copy protected versions
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C.L.U.C.K.
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Yes, Copy protected CD's don't have any computer accessible content besides the terrible quality propriety encoded files of the CD tracks. Some don't even bother with that. They are common in Japan and getting common in Europe. The USA has fair use laws but it looks like the USA consumer may lose this battle due to politics, power and big money. (don't get me started)
Look at the shiny side of your CP CD. At the outer edge you may see a 2mm wide section then a 1mm (or less) wide area then a standard looking CD surface all the way into the middle.
This std look area is the standard CD music. The 2mm wide outer most band has a bare player and the full CD encoded in a low quality propriety format (so poor, I cannot take listening to it). The 1mm band is a blank area that tells the computer that the disk has ended.
When you put such a CD in a standard CD Music player it ignores the 2mm and 1mm sections (multimode) and goes straight to the music. Because of these outer rings of data some long CD's can no longer fit all of their music so a track is dropper to accommodate the copy protection area. Also because of the cp area this CD is useless in a computer so any PC based features are not possible. (they could, it's possible but I don't have time to explain here).
When you put the CD in a computer it reads the 2mm area and automatically opens a featureless player and a play list of the CD's tracks, but the audio is very poor. You cannot access the Audio CD tracks at all so you cannot make MP3's, you also cannot burn the CD because once it gets to the 1mm section the PC thinks it is at the end of the CD. Some PC CD Drives are not fooled. Also if you have a very old CD Drive (1x, 2x and some 4x) it may not be multi-session and will ignore the CP features.
There is a manual way around this too. Put translucent or colored tape across the 2mm section and part way into the 1mm section on opposite sides of the CD. Trim the excess tape from the perimeter. NOTE: This can be very dangerous to the health of your CD drive as the drive heads sit just .3 to .5 mm below the spinning CD and if your tape is not perfectly flat it could hit the lens assembly and break your CD drives lens assenbly. I just use very old CD drive and Music match to make MP3’s at 2 quality levels and then burn a copy of the CD so I don't need to contend with the copy protection at all.
If this Copy Protected CD stuff angers you, write to and call the record company and tell them how pissed-off you are,.. that you have returned the CD for a refund and have now been forced to get the CD as MP3 files off the internet,.. in fact you are so angry you may stop buying their CD's all together and just download for free off the internet. Remind them how you don't understand why they would do this to their music-buying customers and force them into doing what they are trying to stop. You may even wish to buy CP CD's just for the sake of returning them opened for a refund.
PS: Please do not do this for any J-pop groups/singer though (Avex specifically) as I have an interest in they doing well.
Look at the shiny side of your CP CD. At the outer edge you may see a 2mm wide section then a 1mm (or less) wide area then a standard looking CD surface all the way into the middle.
This std look area is the standard CD music. The 2mm wide outer most band has a bare player and the full CD encoded in a low quality propriety format (so poor, I cannot take listening to it). The 1mm band is a blank area that tells the computer that the disk has ended.
When you put such a CD in a standard CD Music player it ignores the 2mm and 1mm sections (multimode) and goes straight to the music. Because of these outer rings of data some long CD's can no longer fit all of their music so a track is dropper to accommodate the copy protection area. Also because of the cp area this CD is useless in a computer so any PC based features are not possible. (they could, it's possible but I don't have time to explain here).
When you put the CD in a computer it reads the 2mm area and automatically opens a featureless player and a play list of the CD's tracks, but the audio is very poor. You cannot access the Audio CD tracks at all so you cannot make MP3's, you also cannot burn the CD because once it gets to the 1mm section the PC thinks it is at the end of the CD. Some PC CD Drives are not fooled. Also if you have a very old CD Drive (1x, 2x and some 4x) it may not be multi-session and will ignore the CP features.
There is a manual way around this too. Put translucent or colored tape across the 2mm section and part way into the 1mm section on opposite sides of the CD. Trim the excess tape from the perimeter. NOTE: This can be very dangerous to the health of your CD drive as the drive heads sit just .3 to .5 mm below the spinning CD and if your tape is not perfectly flat it could hit the lens assembly and break your CD drives lens assenbly. I just use very old CD drive and Music match to make MP3’s at 2 quality levels and then burn a copy of the CD so I don't need to contend with the copy protection at all.
If this Copy Protected CD stuff angers you, write to and call the record company and tell them how pissed-off you are,.. that you have returned the CD for a refund and have now been forced to get the CD as MP3 files off the internet,.. in fact you are so angry you may stop buying their CD's all together and just download for free off the internet. Remind them how you don't understand why they would do this to their music-buying customers and force them into doing what they are trying to stop. You may even wish to buy CP CD's just for the sake of returning them opened for a refund.
PS: Please do not do this for any J-pop groups/singer though (Avex specifically) as I have an interest in they doing well.
Glenn
I read some nasty things about those copy controlled CDs from consumer magazine. Apparantly some of them don't even work on normal CD players...
Another concern is that the labelling (at least in NZ) is not clear enough. People don't realize that there is a chance their copy controlled CD might not actually work on their players. I also remember that they don't work at all on computers, so you can't play your CDs while you're at work - so then people just download the MP3s!
I don't own any copy controlled CDs (I think), but I don't think I'd want to risk the hassle of dealing with them.
This could be an interesting thread in the chit chat forum...
Another concern is that the labelling (at least in NZ) is not clear enough. People don't realize that there is a chance their copy controlled CD might not actually work on their players. I also remember that they don't work at all on computers, so you can't play your CDs while you're at work - so then people just download the MP3s!
I don't own any copy controlled CDs (I think), but I don't think I'd want to risk the hassle of dealing with them.
This could be an interesting thread in the chit chat forum...
But the good News is....
Philips the inventers of the Audio Compact Disc are
currently fighting this copy protection act in the World Courts.
Philips still holds the rights to the Audio CD, and they say that
copy protection is breaking the contract for the use of the media and is also breaking the rights of the purchaser who
is allowed to make 1 copy for his/her own personal use.
The fight still goes on....
Philips the inventers of the Audio Compact Disc are
currently fighting this copy protection act in the World Courts.
Philips still holds the rights to the Audio CD, and they say that
copy protection is breaking the contract for the use of the media and is also breaking the rights of the purchaser who
is allowed to make 1 copy for his/her own personal use.
The fight still goes on....
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devils_trill
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I think its dumb! Why they scrapped the Art of War of the UK edition is stupid, and the video as well. I did not buy it untill last week, when I was on holiday in Greece, and got the 'full' version of the album.
The thing which baffles me is it does not deter downloading of songs it just encourages it. I mean most UK VM fans have most of her songs anyway, and would not bother with the Best Of... and then just download an MP3 of the Art of War.
The thing which baffles me is it does not deter downloading of songs it just encourages it. I mean most UK VM fans have most of her songs anyway, and would not bother with the Best Of... and then just download an MP3 of the Art of War.
You make a good point d_t.
I travel much and my job has down hours regularly and want to have all my music for down hours on laptop and MP3 player. But with copy protected CD the average person cannot get the music they paid for off to MP3 so they may use it in a more convient manner. So lets say I find out my favourite band has copy protected CD, I might not waste my money buying a CD (that have recently got more expensive)that I cannot use in the manner I prefer. I might just go online and download the CD from someone who has already made the effort to bypass the copy protection.
Result is the copy protection feature has just lost a sale. CP'd CD's are very common now in Japan and I know many,.. as in dozens who quit buying CP's CD's because will not work in PC's to make MP3's and just now download. These are people who have the money to buy the CD's but just choose not to because they cannot convert to MP3.
Another example. Someone unknowingly buys a CP'd CD and finds it will not work in their PC and they cannot make MP3's either. They angry but feel powerless but accect their fate,.. but when it comes to buy another CD they decide not to buy as their use is limiter and just stop buying CD's.
Record companies may say they are having sales drops. But what they dont tell you is the world economy is doing poorly and all sales are down, people are spendin less on entertainment and when the do spend entertainment money, they are buying DVD's. There is less quality music releases to buy. The record companies have cut by nearly 40% the number of CD releases in the last 2 years. The record companies are focusing the money more on the top 5 artists and ignoring their hundreds of lesser artists. I could tell more,.. but I think you get the idea.
I travel much and my job has down hours regularly and want to have all my music for down hours on laptop and MP3 player. But with copy protected CD the average person cannot get the music they paid for off to MP3 so they may use it in a more convient manner. So lets say I find out my favourite band has copy protected CD, I might not waste my money buying a CD (that have recently got more expensive)that I cannot use in the manner I prefer. I might just go online and download the CD from someone who has already made the effort to bypass the copy protection.
Result is the copy protection feature has just lost a sale. CP'd CD's are very common now in Japan and I know many,.. as in dozens who quit buying CP's CD's because will not work in PC's to make MP3's and just now download. These are people who have the money to buy the CD's but just choose not to because they cannot convert to MP3.
Another example. Someone unknowingly buys a CP'd CD and finds it will not work in their PC and they cannot make MP3's either. They angry but feel powerless but accect their fate,.. but when it comes to buy another CD they decide not to buy as their use is limiter and just stop buying CD's.
Record companies may say they are having sales drops. But what they dont tell you is the world economy is doing poorly and all sales are down, people are spendin less on entertainment and when the do spend entertainment money, they are buying DVD's. There is less quality music releases to buy. The record companies have cut by nearly 40% the number of CD releases in the last 2 years. The record companies are focusing the money more on the top 5 artists and ignoring their hundreds of lesser artists. I could tell more,.. but I think you get the idea.
Glenn
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devils_trill
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Point of information (disclaimer: IANAL): Most countries have some sort of "fair use" (in Europe it's called "fair dealing") limitations to copyright. It's stronger in some countries than in others: in the US it's a positive right, which was why someone was able to sue a record label over a copy-protected Charley Pride CD on the basis that she couldn't make use of her 'fair use' rights over the disk. In the UK, fair dealing is only a possible defence in an infringement suit, and in any case does not extend to private copying. So the Charley Pride defence won't work, tho' a suit might be possible under fair-trading law if the disk wasn't clearly labelled.
However, new copyright laws in some countries (including the US --- the DMCA) mean that it's illegal to bypass copy-protection, and to manufacture tools for that purpose. So copy-protection legally trumps fair use/dealing.
Wrt copy-protection: my advice is to not buy copy-protected CDs.
We are possibly entering a dark age...
However, new copyright laws in some countries (including the US --- the DMCA) mean that it's illegal to bypass copy-protection, and to manufacture tools for that purpose. So copy-protection legally trumps fair use/dealing.
Wrt copy-protection: my advice is to not buy copy-protected CDs.
We are possibly entering a dark age...
In The UK there are 2 versions of the Best of... available...
with Art Of War Multimedia Video (16 Trk)
and the non Multimedia version (15 Trk)
<<Click HERE>>
to Enter the HMV superstore,
then search for Vanessa Mae
with Art Of War Multimedia Video (16 Trk)
and the non Multimedia version (15 Trk)
<<Click HERE>>
to Enter the HMV superstore,
then search for Vanessa Mae
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devils_trill
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I could only find the 15 track one.Arioch wrote:In The UK there are 2 versions of the Best of... available...
with Art Of War Multimedia Video (16 Trk)
and the non Multimedia version (15 Trk)
<<Click HERE>>
to Enter the HMV superstore,
then search for Vanessa Mae
Did you buy both Arioch and where did you get the 16 track one from. Just out of interest.
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Hi devils_trill
Yes i own both copies,
the normal 15 track version went on sale in the UK late 2001.
I also own the 15 track EMI Pomo version
the Ltd edition Asian Multimedia version with photo album,
and the normal Multimedia version.
Both Multimedia versions have 17 tracks
Track listing..
1. ART OF WAR
2. TOCCATA AND FUGUE
3. DESTINY
4. NESSUN DORMA
5. I'M A-DOUN FOR LACK O' JOHNNIE (Rijkos fave)
6. STORM
7. I FEEL LOVE
8. BACH STREET PRELUDE
9. AURORA
10. T. O. F. S. - WINTER (II)
11. CONTRADANZA
12. WHITE BIRD
13. T. O. F. S. - SUMMER (I)
14. HAPPY VALLEY
15. DEVILS TRILL
16. SOLACE
17. ART OF WAR (with enhanced video)
Use joe_mates links for direct access.
Yes i own both copies,
the normal 15 track version went on sale in the UK late 2001.
I also own the 15 track EMI Pomo version
the Ltd edition Asian Multimedia version with photo album,
and the normal Multimedia version.
Both Multimedia versions have 17 tracks
Track listing..
1. ART OF WAR
2. TOCCATA AND FUGUE
3. DESTINY
4. NESSUN DORMA
5. I'M A-DOUN FOR LACK O' JOHNNIE (Rijkos fave)
6. STORM
7. I FEEL LOVE
8. BACH STREET PRELUDE
9. AURORA
10. T. O. F. S. - WINTER (II)
11. CONTRADANZA
12. WHITE BIRD
13. T. O. F. S. - SUMMER (I)
14. HAPPY VALLEY
15. DEVILS TRILL
16. SOLACE
17. ART OF WAR (with enhanced video)
Use joe_mates links for direct access.
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devils_trill
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