I just popped over to your site and it is working fine for me.
No problems at vanessa-mae.us
Cant find Ultimate collection
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Back to Glenns mention of Disc protection
I was discussing this with a friend who then handed
me the following.......
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Well, time for some input on downloading for individual use, as opposed to commercial purposes. The RIAA has f*ck-all basis for its lawsuits. Nada. Zilch. Zip. None. I ran into something interesting when this topic came up in discussion elsewhere, something I had not seen before and which has some very relevant points. See for yourself:
Edi
Quoted from Slashdot::
Contrary to what the RIAA wants you to believe, it appears that making a copy of an audio recording may be perfectly legal in the US, even if you don't own the original recording, as long as it is for noncommercial purposes. The reason for this is the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA).
Since 1992, the U.S. Government has collected a tax on all digital audio recorders and blank digital audio media manufactured in or imported into the US, and gives the money directly to the RIAA companies, which is distributed as royalties to recording artists, copyright owners, music publishers, and music writers:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html
In exchange for those royalties, a special exemption to the copyright law was made for the specific case of audio recordings, and as a result *ALL* noncommercial copying of musical recordings by consumers is now legal in the US, regardless of media:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1008.html
"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."
The intent of Congress was clear when this law was passed
http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyrigh ... /0018.html
From House Report No. 102-873(I), September 17, 1992:
"In the case of home taping, the exemption protects all noncommercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings."
From House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992:
"In short, the reported legislation would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use."
Therefore, when you copy an MP3 the royalties have already been paid for with tax dollars in accordance with the law. If you are a musician whose recordings are publicly distributed, then you are entitled to your share of these royalties by filing a claim under Section 1006
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1006.html
Napster tried to use this law to defend their case, and the court ruled this law did not apply to them because they are a commercial company. But as a consumer it seems to me you are perfectly within your rights when you make a copy for noncommercial private use.
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I was discussing this with a friend who then handed
me the following.......
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Well, time for some input on downloading for individual use, as opposed to commercial purposes. The RIAA has f*ck-all basis for its lawsuits. Nada. Zilch. Zip. None. I ran into something interesting when this topic came up in discussion elsewhere, something I had not seen before and which has some very relevant points. See for yourself:
Edi
Quoted from Slashdot::
Contrary to what the RIAA wants you to believe, it appears that making a copy of an audio recording may be perfectly legal in the US, even if you don't own the original recording, as long as it is for noncommercial purposes. The reason for this is the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA).
Since 1992, the U.S. Government has collected a tax on all digital audio recorders and blank digital audio media manufactured in or imported into the US, and gives the money directly to the RIAA companies, which is distributed as royalties to recording artists, copyright owners, music publishers, and music writers:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html
In exchange for those royalties, a special exemption to the copyright law was made for the specific case of audio recordings, and as a result *ALL* noncommercial copying of musical recordings by consumers is now legal in the US, regardless of media:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1008.html
"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings."
The intent of Congress was clear when this law was passed
http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyrigh ... /0018.html
From House Report No. 102-873(I), September 17, 1992:
"In the case of home taping, the exemption protects all noncommercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings."
From House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992:
"In short, the reported legislation would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use."
Therefore, when you copy an MP3 the royalties have already been paid for with tax dollars in accordance with the law. If you are a musician whose recordings are publicly distributed, then you are entitled to your share of these royalties by filing a claim under Section 1006
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1006.html
Napster tried to use this law to defend their case, and the court ruled this law did not apply to them because they are a commercial company. But as a consumer it seems to me you are perfectly within your rights when you make a copy for noncommercial private use.
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I think that the RIAA is now trying to say "analog copying is okay, but digital isn't."
I also think they are more concerned with "those who share" more than "those who copy".
Hmmm. If I connect a portable CD play to my sound card Line In; use a recording software that allows more than 60 seconds of WAV file creation; split that WAV into tracks, burn those tracks ... would that result be analog or digital?
I also think they are more concerned with "those who share" more than "those who copy".
Hmmm. If I connect a portable CD play to my sound card Line In; use a recording software that allows more than 60 seconds of WAV file creation; split that WAV into tracks, burn those tracks ... would that result be analog or digital?
Joe, your method will come out fine though you may not get the most quiet of wave files. Also there are free programs that will allow you to record directly from line in to wave without the 60 second limit. There's a registry hack to disable the windows recorder 60 second limit.
I used to use a program (before mp3 recording programs) that look like a tape deck. I would play my CD, click record to start copying, then stop to, well stop recording,.. trim as needed. This would save as a .wav file. I then use Winamp (like version 1) to convert .wav to .mp3. At the time there were no programs to record mp3 directly. I expect WinAmp will now allow you to take an audio line in and convert directly to mp3.
As for the RIAA in Arioch post above. That is all very interesting and sounds reasonable. But the point is "copying for personal use" which is different than downloading from Napster clones, but once you have the file who know from where it came from, Kazaa or cd from girl next door.
I think people in USA are sueing RIAA and/or record companies due to copy protected CD's not allowing them to make copies as allowed by law. In Japan most CD's now have CP but I know many who only play CD's from mp3 or minidisc, but CP makes this not possible so they stop buying CD's and just download for free from Kazaa and others. I find it quite amusing that the CP CD's are reducing sales AND encouraging file sharing,.. the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do.
My feeling is CP CD's should have in the CD package a web link and single or multi use passcode (or 2 or 3 use no closer than 30 days) that would allow you to download "High Quality" mp3 for your personal use,.. since you bought the CD you have the passcode so it should not be an issue. The MP3 may have subcode for tracking to go after a mass sharer.
Some first run Japan CD's do this,.. link and passcode allow you to download 45 seconds or more of future single or full unreleased bonus track. Sometime only stream.
Sorry to speak so much on this but I have strong knowledge of this industry and strong opinion on this topic.
Here is related story and another related story/video
I used to use a program (before mp3 recording programs) that look like a tape deck. I would play my CD, click record to start copying, then stop to, well stop recording,.. trim as needed. This would save as a .wav file. I then use Winamp (like version 1) to convert .wav to .mp3. At the time there were no programs to record mp3 directly. I expect WinAmp will now allow you to take an audio line in and convert directly to mp3.
As for the RIAA in Arioch post above. That is all very interesting and sounds reasonable. But the point is "copying for personal use" which is different than downloading from Napster clones, but once you have the file who know from where it came from, Kazaa or cd from girl next door.
I think people in USA are sueing RIAA and/or record companies due to copy protected CD's not allowing them to make copies as allowed by law. In Japan most CD's now have CP but I know many who only play CD's from mp3 or minidisc, but CP makes this not possible so they stop buying CD's and just download for free from Kazaa and others. I find it quite amusing that the CP CD's are reducing sales AND encouraging file sharing,.. the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do.
My feeling is CP CD's should have in the CD package a web link and single or multi use passcode (or 2 or 3 use no closer than 30 days) that would allow you to download "High Quality" mp3 for your personal use,.. since you bought the CD you have the passcode so it should not be an issue. The MP3 may have subcode for tracking to go after a mass sharer.
Some first run Japan CD's do this,.. link and passcode allow you to download 45 seconds or more of future single or full unreleased bonus track. Sometime only stream.
Sorry to speak so much on this but I have strong knowledge of this industry and strong opinion on this topic.
Here is related story and another related story/video
Glenn
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That comment from the CD industry is not true. The production of CD's has gotten cheaper. Often times it is the booklet that is the most expensive part of the CD.
For USA ppl consider that you can buy many budget DVD's (a far mor complex 2 layer bonded disc) for $10 and even sometimes $6 or $7.
Production runs for CD's have gotten smaller and that does impact the final "cost" of a CD. Obviously it is cheaper per CD to make 400,000 than to make 40,000.
For USA ppl consider that you can buy many budget DVD's (a far mor complex 2 layer bonded disc) for $10 and even sometimes $6 or $7.
Production runs for CD's have gotten smaller and that does impact the final "cost" of a CD. Obviously it is cheaper per CD to make 400,000 than to make 40,000.
Glenn
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Just found the Ultimate Collection on the UK EMI website ( http://www.emimusic.co.uk/ ), see:
http://www.catalogue.emirecords.co.uk/C ... ...=105246
Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1063657153
http://www.catalogue.emirecords.co.uk/C ... ...=105246
Edited By Rijko Ebens on 1063657153
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Xanthippe
I have received the Ultimate cd today via amazon.co.uk.
I am especially pleased by the live mixes of Red Hot Symphonic and T&F as Vanessa-Mae played these pieces during her concert at the Berlin Philharmonie in 1996 (released by EMI as video tape).
I think the 'Best Of' cd (relased in 2002) and the 'Ultimate' cd together represent a good overview of Vanessa-Mae's pop career larded with some of her classical work.
I predict that EMI will release (in 2004??) a third cd that will primarily summirize Vanessa-Mae's classical side larded with some pop pieces. A track listing might look like this:
1 Art of War
2 Storm
3 Bach Street Prelude
4 Toccata & Fugue
5 Partita no 3 - first movement
6 Summer - Tempo impetuoso d' Estate
7 Happy Valley
8 Devill's Trill
9 Scottish Fantasy - Finale
10 Buttefy Lovers Violin Concerto Act III
Anyone has other ideas?
I am especially pleased by the live mixes of Red Hot Symphonic and T&F as Vanessa-Mae played these pieces during her concert at the Berlin Philharmonie in 1996 (released by EMI as video tape).
I think the 'Best Of' cd (relased in 2002) and the 'Ultimate' cd together represent a good overview of Vanessa-Mae's pop career larded with some of her classical work.
I predict that EMI will release (in 2004??) a third cd that will primarily summirize Vanessa-Mae's classical side larded with some pop pieces. A track listing might look like this:
1 Art of War
2 Storm
3 Bach Street Prelude
4 Toccata & Fugue
5 Partita no 3 - first movement
6 Summer - Tempo impetuoso d' Estate
7 Happy Valley
8 Devill's Trill
9 Scottish Fantasy - Finale
10 Buttefy Lovers Violin Concerto Act III
Anyone has other ideas?
I think that would be a terrible idea for EMI to do that. One of the thing I dont like about VM albums is that the very same material come on many different CD's, I must have 4 or 5 time the same version of devel's trill, destiny, white bird, happy valey ... ... ... ...
I do belive that at this point in here carrer a "Best Of" album was indeed called for altought we might argue the track listing. But right now her 2 last release where of that type, adding a tird would just saturate even more the market.
I dont think sutch an album would sell well or help her recognition. I would see this as an attemp by EMI to cash in once again on songs that are alreay in circulation, and on which royalties have already been payed.
Anyways , those where my 2 cents ... canadian cents that is , so about 1.65 US
)
Atre.
P.S. I love the track listing ... i would pretty mutch have come up with the same...
I do belive that at this point in here carrer a "Best Of" album was indeed called for altought we might argue the track listing. But right now her 2 last release where of that type, adding a tird would just saturate even more the market.
I dont think sutch an album would sell well or help her recognition. I would see this as an attemp by EMI to cash in once again on songs that are alreay in circulation, and on which royalties have already been payed.
Anyways , those where my 2 cents ... canadian cents that is , so about 1.65 US
)Atre.
P.S. I love the track listing ... i would pretty mutch have come up with the same...
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Well , from that standing point it is indeed very likely that EMI will try to squeeze as mutch cash out of her as possible. I do hope that she still has some clause in her contract that might allow her to prevent them from over exploiting songs she has recorded under their lable. That might tarnish her image.
God i hate EMI .....
Atre.
God i hate EMI .....
Atre.
Rijko is correct,
All EMI care about is making money!
As we all know Vanessa-Mae will be bringing out a new
album in the near future, EMI will use this opportunity and cash in
on it.
Best of Albums are actually a good idea, a lot of bands compile these
albums with their fans in mind, they create the album with tracks
chosen by their fans.
It also provides a way of playing the best tracks without having to keep
Changing discs, And most importantly it gives new fans a chance to
Listen to a wide range of the artists style and sound.
I regually lend my work colleagues my best of Cd’s, if there is a track
That they like then I lend them the complete album.
All EMI care about is making money!
As we all know Vanessa-Mae will be bringing out a new
album in the near future, EMI will use this opportunity and cash in
on it.
Best of Albums are actually a good idea, a lot of bands compile these
albums with their fans in mind, they create the album with tracks
chosen by their fans.
It also provides a way of playing the best tracks without having to keep
Changing discs, And most importantly it gives new fans a chance to
Listen to a wide range of the artists style and sound.
I regually lend my work colleagues my best of Cd’s, if there is a track
That they like then I lend them the complete album.